Luann Horobin - Mind Shift- Life Transitions - Empowerment

Unknown: 0:07

You're listening to fascinating women with Mark Laurie. And now, Mark Laurie.

Mark Laurie: 0:14

Hello, everyone, and welcome to fascinating women. And today we've got Luann Horborin. Glad to have you here. Thank you for coming.

Luann Hoborin: 0:23

I'm excited to be here.

Mark Laurie: 0:25

This should be really good. Are you a resident of Calgary? Have you lived here all your life?

Luann Hoborin: 0:31

I've lived here almost all of my life. My first 20 years were in small town books. And Edmonton. Alberta is so but local to Alberta. Yes, but the rest of it is in Calgary.

Mark Laurie: 0:46

We're gonna get right into it. What is the most spontaneous thing you've done in your life?

Luann Hoborin: 0:51

The most spontaneous thing I've ever done in my life, I think actually started investing in the stock market. And it was just, it was just actually an idea that I had had before type of thing, but didn't really know how to do it. And one of my friends had said, Oh, Luann you know what I've, I see this course here. And we can invest in the stock market. And let's go and do that. And so I thought, sure, let's go and do that. So away we went. And that's, that's how I started, which was was really fun. I was actually really glad I did that.

Mark Laurie: 1:25

So it's worked out well, for you.

Unknown: 1:26

Yes, it has worked out well, for me. You know, it's a really good thing to know about. Because prior to that, I think I didn't really understand a lot of things about finance kind of in the world type of thing. And what it really did was it helped me understand you know, how when people say that when the economy's not that great, that's when people make money that always sounded the weirdest, like the weirdest idea ever. Right? But by going through that, that training, I got a really good understanding of a lot more diversity of the economy and money. And I can see oh, yeah, this is how people make money when it's not going so great. So there's really nothing to worry about. With that.

Mark Laurie: 2:07

You could still make money. That's cool. Yes. How long ago? Was that happen?

Unknown: 2:12

Let's just estimate, was more than 15 years ago. That'd be more than 15 years ago, I think. Yes. Yeah. It was a while ago. Yeah, I'm probably good. Closer than around 15. Ish.

Mark Laurie: 2:27

I realized 16. In high school, the route we took for math thing, investing. I thought this is good. So when I was young kid to a stockbroker, and I had 100 bucks. And he says, No, that's, that's not up to anything, kid go away. I thought, you know, if you if you take a different tact with me back then oh, it could have changed my life. But it was like, oh, okay, that's

Unknown: 2:45

so true. And that's what so many of the books and resources that are out there will say, here's how you can start with like $100. So that's very snobby.

Mark Laurie: 2:54

But anyway, Oh, yeah. I've also done stuff with the stock market. And it's been kind of an interesting.

Unknown: 2:58

Well that was Yeah, I wish to be. It was kind of a different thing to do spontaneously. But...

Mark Laurie: 3:05

I love that, that's the first time he said, that's what that is. That was really good. Did you have a turning point your life where you're going in one direction, then suddenly you just shifted gears went someplace else? Yes. I've had, I've had probably more than one. But I think the biggest one was, there was a point in time in my life where I was working in healthcare. And I was a lso married at that time, I had young daughter. And I was like, go from that role in healthcare, which was a complete shock. It was, it wasn't even a thought that was possible in my mind. But there was a massive restructure that was going on. And just under the circumstances, I just didn't really think that I was sort of in the sort of package realm. However, when I was, I was just completely shocked. But that was a turning point to my life, because at that point in time was also the time when I became single,a single mom and, and I also decided that that wasn't really my career. I loved a lot of that work, but I wanted to do it in a different way. There was a fundamental part of it I liked because I was working with organizational change and people change and people development. And I liked I liked it and I really liked healthcare, but I thought you know what, I really want to work in different industries. So I ended up actually changing everything. But it took it actually it was a couple of years Yeah. But I'm really excited about it because they were all they were all changes that worked out really well for everybody. Know when you do that I can do it has a couple of wins. What kind of prepared your mind space Did you can make that kind of shift like that's a critical thing to to be able to do like a lot of people they just fail they go on to a lesser job and you motivate through what would be in your background. gave you.

Unknown: 5:00

A really good question. I was so shocked with that, that I at first, to be honest, my brains were probably frozen. Probably most people around me when I've said they were frozen, too, but because I, I always I've, I have a fundamental belief that things always work out. And that sometimes we don't really see that something that's happening is actually good. And that really puzzled me like I was really stymied. I couldn't understand that. So when I thought about it, I thought, you know, the bottom line is, how do I go forward? The bottom line is, I love my work. But I don't have to do it that particular way. And to be honest, I'm at an early enough age that I really can look at doing something differently. I didn't know how to do that. Exactly. So I thought, Well, how am I going to explore? So I decided to just talk to people like I had to go and it's like networking. People, you know, have I just talked, I just call it talk to people. So I just did some research and like, how does a person do this kind of thing. And then I thought, I know that I have these types of skills. And I know that they're useful in other areas. And I just had to figure out the steps. And this is a really good question, because it's actually a large part of what prompted me to change into the work that I'm doing today. Because it was not easy. It was a it was a stumble and try again, kind of process. But I'm so glad that I did because from persevering with it, because there were times when I would think, Oh, I think I'll go like I thought for a benefit. I think I'll go do human resources, because it's kind of similar to what I was doing. And it's I would get my paperwork. Yeah, I'd get my organizational work. But my good learning point here for my viewpoint of what that job was, was not what that job was.

Mark Laurie: 7:03

Oh, really?

Unknown: 7:03

Oh, yes. It's what sometimes what we think the job looks like outside. That's not what people do every day. And so I learned that a little bit. Again, not on the quick learning curve there. I talked to several people. And then I thought, you know, I don't know, this doesn't seem to be what I thought it was. And maybe it's the organization, maybe it's, you know, not a fit, maybe. And I was going through all these maybes. And then I, after about 10 people or so I thought no, Luann it's not because of them. They're all doing the same job. But that's not what I thought their job was. Yeah. So thank heavens for that. And so then I thought, well, so I went in, I just I did recruiting for a little bit, just to get a sense of the different industries, because I pretty much had worked in healthcare. And I thought, I think I can do this. And as I talked to people, I just someone just, I used to ask the question, what do you think? If you were in my shoes, what do you see would be like a good path? It's a really good question. Well, sometimes when people answered that question, I didn't understand their thought. And sometimes it made sense, but not always. So that's how I moved into my, my work with career and with transition when with change, just by going through that process myself.

Mark Laurie: 8:20

There's two foul fail, I guess. One is the idea of asking people, what they see the path is that's really an interesting approach. I haven't encountered that before asking somebody else. What's a good path? For me for how this path? That's really a good approach?

Unknown: 8:37

I just would ask them, what kinds of ideas what kinds of ideas would do you see? Or would you have? If you were in my shoes? Or if you knew someone who is like this? What kinds of ideas would you have was very interesting. It's actually part of what helped me get sorted out because another, I always have the fundamental belief that many minds make light work. And it was a bit of a path to sort out. So and I think you asked, How did I persevere? I just had this belief that there was a better way. And I was also pretty motivated because I was a single mom. And that's very inspiring.

Mark Laurie: 9:20

Motivation is really important. Like to have a reason to kind of accomplish that. Now. Yeah, there's, you mentioned perseverance, one of the three defining characteristics of yourself that gets you forward.

Unknown: 9:33

Of myself that get me forward? Okay, probably one is perseverance. I I kind of am like a dog with a bone. And I just, I just feel that it's always possible. That's one thing. And another defining thing is I really care about people. And that is a defining thing because it makes a difference in all parts of my life. And the third thing that I would say is, I'm absolutely certain that there is a better way. And I think part of that is that part of that is what led me into my mindset work. But part of that is I've just believed that I don't believe that I have to struggle and plod along. I'm sure there is a better way. So I will find it. So I think those are three, three quarters, three, three things. Yes.

Mark Laurie: 10:46

Did you have those? Is that something you've learned through observation? Would you have those since you're a little kid, those things drives you in your childhood as well.

Unknown: 10:56

So I think the perseverance and the finding the better way, did for sure. And we I was raised. So I was where I'm coming from with this is that I was raised on the farm. And we were very, very achievement oriented. From the time I was little so I could, we had hired hands, I could create, I could make lunch like I had to stand on a stool on the stove. And I still have a stove, I could make lunch for like the family and our hired hands. So that's like about 10 people. And I knew how to do that I knew how to do a lot of things, I can actually that at that point in time, we can actually drive like I know, that's not would be frowned upon today. But it was with you know, I could drive I knew how to drive, I had to, like stand two feet up on the floor. And I was only allowed to go up to the ten like it was not allowed to go any faster than the 10. But I was allowed to figure out how to do that. So I always was kind of geared to that, that sort of that perseverance, and that there is always a way, right. And I think there's a better way, because sometimes things would be kind of difficult and say, Oh, I think there's a better way of doing this. Like, sort of there's a point where I I don't want to exhaust myself. So I would just do that.

Mark Laurie: 12:18

I remember that was a friend of mine, he runs a ranch and I used to work with I'd be doing stuff and he'd say no, see, you're sitting in a city approach that do something that was right. Now you're thinking like a rancher, like, nothing's gonna get done. I just kind of just kind of loved that.

Unknown: 12:34

Oh that's, that's so true. Because there would be there would just there was many things going on at all times. And you had to have, there was always several irons in the fire. I just learned how to work with several irons in the fire and find a better way of doing things. That was kind of I don't know, I think it was a mindset from when I was little. And because we were on the farm and I was saying very community oriented and very people oriented. Like if, if someone needed help, it was like, Well, why rather than why would I pitch? And it would be why wouldn't you pitch in, we just would we would just go and help people. And I just think it's a fundamental core part of me.

Mark Laurie: 13:15

I can see how that'd be installed very, very early. What's the best advice you received? Over the years.

Luann Hoborin: 13:21

The best advice I've ever received over the years? Is um I think probably would be coming from my dad. And my dad would always say, to be always to be true to yourself. He worded that in many different ways. And ways he would say that, if he was a little bit sort of not really impressed about something he would say don't sell your soul to the devil. But, but usually it wasn't though, he would have to be a little bit annoyed to say that. But typically he would say, you know, Luann he said, I think there's a better way or I think you know, I don't think that's really the best thing for you. What do you think is the best thing for you? Like, what what do you think is the best way you can do it? So I think that is a kind of a guiding it's a bit of like a guiding.

Mark Laurie: 14:21

So he instilled like core vision of you for the better way comes from his out a good way for you.

Unknown: 14:26

Yes. Is that is that the best thing for you? And you could say, well, how are how is that the best way for you? What do you think you will get from this? Or how do you think you'll come out of this? And is that really going to help you with what you want? Like he would just ask me those questions, but but if he was kind of annoyed, that's how he would say it another way. Yeah, I do like and I think that's it's good advice because sometimes sometimes I think it's the if my own thought is it helps me um minimize the deviations from the path helps to minimize the detours type of thing.

Mark Laurie: 15:07

Look at the stop at a critical point and go. So is this really...

Luann Hoborin: 15:10

think this is a detour?

Mark Laurie: 15:13

How do you define success?

Luann Hoborin: 15:17

Success? Think is an individual definition. And success is being able to enjoy the parts of life that are important to each person. And for each person that is different. And that sounds like a bit of a broad answer. But there are Success for me is probably different than it is for other people. So Success for me is to be able to contribute what's fulfilling, to be able to contribute, to be able to enjoy the people on the relationships in my life. And to be able to have given a value to be able to have made a difference to me that that is success for me.

Mark Laurie: 16:16

Do you have any? I guess it'd be inspirational words, like the cap phrase that you read or someplace that guide you?

Luann Hoborin: 16:26

Inspirational words that guide me. Oh, I have a slogan. I probably yes, I do have I have a few? Uh, one is one of the I tend to sometimes use questions. And one of the questions that I'm finding is useful now is what if this wasn't a problem? So I, because sometimes when I'm kind of puzzled about something, it's probably because I'm thinking it's a problem, right? So then if I asked myself, What if this wasn't a problem? It changes? Well, basically what that does, you know, because I work with neuroscience, it changes our brain chemistry, it changes the way I see things. And so I encourage people to use that question. What if this wasn't a problem? And sometimes another one that I, I often use is, there is only now and not now. And what I mean by that is, Am I really being present in this moment? Because that also helps me see if I'm, is am I experiencing this moment from something from the past? Or am I experiencing this moment? from something that I'm projecting into the future? This is really only now and how I work with this now changes all of that?

Mark Laurie: 17:58

Does? That's really a deep thought. That's really good.

Unknown: 18:05

It's quite helpful. It is, it's really helpful to me.

Mark Laurie: 18:10

What was the biggest besides your actor? How did you deal with your biggest second biggest one earlier, one of your challengers that changed your life a bit? How did I deal with it, that changed my life quite a bit. I bet you had several life changing moments.

Luann Hoborin: 18:32

I have had several life changing moments. I think I'm going to look at another one. This relates to I was not a quick learner, and understanding some of my own patterns. And I always, and I always was, I was always, like, quite ambitious. And so in my career, I was often looking for roles where I could just where I could maybe do a little bit more, because I felt that I could get into a role and I could easily kind of, then not keep my interest as much as I wanted to, I'd like to grow and learn. So, but I think that becoming from the being laid off in a job, and also from the change in some of the contracts that I had, I didn't actually recognize how much that was part of my character. And so this is one point I had, I had made this achievement and I was like really excited about it, just really excited about it. And was sharing this with someone and they were telling me, their response was, Well, as a matter of fact, you know, That's good. But that is outside of the bounds of our scope. And so basically, that was kind of the end of that, that contract that situation. And I was so surprised, needless to say, was not expecting that response. But when. But I think what it, it helped me learn, was if learning is sometimes we we've just kind of grown out of our shoes. We're just ready for another pair of shoes, but we might not have seen it ourselves. Right, right. We may not have seen it ourselves. So I've learned to just be very open to what does this mean? Like, what is this in the bigger picture? In other words, how is it? How is what is happening right now? Exactly perfect. That's another one of my insightful thoughts.

Mark Laurie: 20:52

So repeat that one again.

Unknown: 20:53

How is this whatever is happening right now? So in other words, how was this person telling me this? Which was such a surprise? How is this exactly perfect? It's exactly perfect. Because it, it made me again, think of, well, what is my next step then? Right? Because I was ready for my next step. As just a little bit of a prompter.

Mark Laurie: 21:18

We don't recognize it. Easily. The Universe kind of says we're gonna slap you little bit.

Unknown: 21:22

I know, it's kind of like, yes, like, don't they say that the Eagles, they actually push them out of time we go. Try those wings out.

Mark Laurie: 21:33

Good to go. Yes. Yeah, that's, that's the sink or swim kind of thing out the deep end.

Unknown: 21:40

And I think sometimes I haven't seen that. I haven't seen it. I've been thinking, oh, yeah, that would be good. But then all of a sudden bump, like, Okay.

Mark Laurie: 21:49

I learned that when I was a kid, there's a book I read was called Brave was the catchphrase the brave new world. And the motivation was to before you can think too deeply about what is being asked. Volunteer for it. Yeah, and so I'd stick my hand up and to easily stick my hand up. It's a great way mark of doing that. That a go. So what am I doing? What you read together? What was that? I have no idea. I'm just do something. I get these these looks. Yes, you feel people understand you.

Unknown: 22:21

I feel that people understand me more now. I felt earlier in my life. I didn't feel like anybody understood me. I felt there's your 20s. My early years, even when I went to school, when I went to school at first i Scooby in high school, no school when I first went to school like grade one. Okay. Grade One, because I was used to doing a lot of things from the farm. And then when we were to go to school, and like read books and do recess, and it was like, holy smokes, like, what else do we do here? And I don't know that I really related to that really well, either. And I also feel at times that and in even in my early adulthood, because I really had kind of a burning desire to, to grow more and do more. It was just was always within me. So I don't know that I related well to other people, either, because I don't know that I understood always where they were coming from. And I don't know that I was easiest person to understand, either. I don't think I was. I probably wasn't probably wasn't. I probably wasn't Yeah, I probably wasn't because because I could, I just I could just manage a lot of things. And that's how, I don't know how to say this other than that's just how my brain works. It's just how it works,

Mark Laurie: 23:45

Your brain would have given you that, and that would probably consider it conflict because you would be able to do more stuff. And you're in there for your brains hardwired to see more options than ever kids just learned the road of this how to, like, sir, repeat it back, and you're more of the mechanics of it.

Unknown: 24:01

Yeah, I was, I could always see I could always see more options and, and I could always, you know, take thing more things on and, and but I wasn't doing it to try to like, I don't know, outperform or out show anyone. It was just my appetite. My appetite was more, you know,

Mark Laurie: 24:20

Could that for other people because the society is not really geared to reward that type of thinking. So could people starting off who could be listening to this? Could that wear them down? Like, Oh, definitely. So you start to give up thinking I shouldn't?

Unknown: 24:38

Well, you start feeling like you don't really know what is a very good fit for yourself. And so this can show up in lots of ways because typically when we think of it are the early parts of our I'll use a career for example, but even in our relationships, our early careers in our early relationships that we choose out, probably aren't our best fit, because we don't really Have lots of those aspects sorted out very well. We are going on the information that we have at that time. And so I think that, yes, it was every time I saw this, I would think, well, you know, that's the weirdest thing because I could, I am people always said you have to and you know, your work is awesome, etc. But this but but but but and then I'm thinking, so Okay, so then what's the but about. And then I thought, because I'm in the wrong path, I need to be in a path where I can grow as much as I want. And it's not, there's not a structure behind it. But in part of my learning was one particular role that I went in where it was very structured. I used to talk to myself in the car on the way going home because I thought, I don't know what I'm going to do. And so I these types of things are, they're like feedback. And I always think there is no failure. There's only feedback. It's feedback, it's like coming to me as as, like my dad would say, Well, so do you think long? Do you think you want to do that? Is that going to be really working very well for you? So, so yeah, those things were they were very helpful. Little road signs. That made me think about things differently.

Mark Laurie: 26:28

So you see failure as a feedback mechanism for growth? How do you personally see success? When you when you say okay, that that was a successful day, that was a successful arch in my career, what was your personal definition of success?

Luann Hoborin: 26:42

When, when I get to success for me, and my work is helping people get what they want, when I see the results and things that I want, when I enjoy it, when I get fulfillment out of it, when I can expand and use my energy. Like when I can use my energy as I want type of thing, when I can relate to people and I can see, you know, the the response from it type of thing, the relationship from it. Yes, those kinds of things are success to me. Yes.

Mark Laurie: 27:17

How's your work life balance?

Luann Hoborin: 27:20

Well, so my work life balance is interesting. It's like it was on the farm, right? It's I can manage, like, so for example, when you're combining your, your seeding or your hang, like, you don't work from nine to five, because that's not going to work, you're gonna have no crop. Okay, to have no crop and you're gonna have no income. So when I have like a peak of a workload, I can really embrace it and jump into it. But I also really like to celebrate and relax. So I set time aside that is reserved, like it's like, you know, that's my time. And in the meantime, that's not my time. I like to like go fill out as much as I can. Because like, it's like it's kind of like your energy just kind of keeps building and growing and building and growing. And yeah, like that's flow to me.

Mark Laurie: 28:18

What have you changed your mind about recently that you've your thinking was this way then suddenly you'd looked at from different perspective to go to go this way?

Luann Hoborin: 28:27

What have I changed my mind about recently?I think I've changed my mind about oh, well, I guess one of the questions that comes to me all the time is when Why don't you want to retire? I have no desire to retire. Because I like what I do. And I have a lot of energy. The change of mind in that is how does that become more even more lifestyle friendly? More time where I'm recognizing the people in my life are so important that I want to have the time with people in my life so that that's what I've mostly changed my mind about resign make retirement looks like redefined what I call it lifestyle friendly. Okay. Yes. So I have more time with the people in my life, and I'm making more specific effort to do things with some with people that are in my life.

Mark Laurie: 29:43

That's powerful. Yeah,

Luann Hoborin: 29:44

I've I like that.

Mark Laurie: 29:49

There's something you believe that most people disagree with. You have a stance and most people go that's wrong.

Luann Hoborin: 29:58

Probably a few things. Okay well, I've had a lot of experience to work with situations where people struggled in life. And, and I've watched them go through periods of time where it was very difficult to just do really fundamental things. And I think this is where my I, my, I guess my connection with people comes in, I tend to look at situations that as that some people feel, are not acceptable, like, maybe that's the best that person can do, I tend to have that perspective that, you know, when I think people really do their best. And that's where I go with things. So that means that certain situations like people say, let's say, for example, I lived in a situation one time where person that I was was in my environment, was really struggling. And for them to just be able to go someplace within a particular timeframe, was a major accomplishment. And to watch that person just simply get ready to go, was quite, it was quite a learning process for me, because I've never, ever experienced that. And so when people say they're going to be at my place, let's say at one o'clock, they can come when they get there. If that means if it's quarter after one, I'm quite fine with that. And I know not everyone has that point of view.

Mark Laurie: 32:00

That's true, that's true.

Unknown: 32:03

Because I don't want to ever be the person that gives someone stress over 15 minutes. Because I really...

Mark Laurie: 32:11

Do you schedule things to accommodate somebody else's tardiness may not be quite the right word. But

Unknown: 32:16

I know I see that I don't I see that differently. I see that as when they arrive is the exact perfect time for them arriving. And that's where I go with it. Because I've learned that acknowledging that is probably one of the best things I can do for that person. There's very few people, there's very few people and very few times that a person is just kind of sitting there purposefully trying to be late.

Mark Laurie: 32:48

No, it's for some people to chronic thing.

Unknown: 32:51

Well, and so this is an interesting example, because I know someone who's always doing a lot of things for people, right. She's always doing a lot of things for a lot of different people. And what often happens is, she'll be going out the door or something or she'll be just about ready, and she'll think, Oh, I was going to take this one more thing. And so she'll go back in the house and get this one more thing. And I'm and so she might arrive five minutes late, so to speak. To me, that is not five minutes late. Thank you for coming. Thank you for your thoughts. Because I think that that is I think what's more important to me is to acknowledge and to to spread that really great energy in the world. And I've I've just find

Mark Laurie: 33:39

To times be a bit fluid for you then for it that it's really helpful

Unknown: 33:44

is because I don't I, I really, I really feel that way.

Mark Laurie: 33:46

So I can go back to your in the moment position.

Luann Hoborin: 33:53

Being in the moment.

Mark Laurie: 33:56

At least it goes together quite nicely.

Unknown: 33:58

It does go back to being in the moment. But it also goes back to really being compassionate, because let's say for example, the person who they tried to get out the door for like, five minutes and you know what it's like sometimes you forget your keys, then you go in and then Well, where did I leave my keys? It's like so and what else is going on? So if you arrive and you're kind of, you know, you're not really excited that you're arriving at five or 15 minutes after and someone says, Well, you're five or 15 minutes late. Well, that's probably not the best greeting. I think we I think that for myself, I try to do I try to actually make that person feel like, you know what, I'm so glad you're here. Like don't rush. I'm fine. Just come here when you can because I'm going to be excited to see you when you get here. And I think one of I think one of the reasons where I come from with this is I think it's from studying. I think it's from studying brains. Okay, because because the Energy, it's called Green brain. Every time we can give a green brain, the other person just blossoms, okay. And that's that encouraging energy. So I really try to be a person that promotes that, especially when people are, you know, kind of feeling like they're a little bit short of you know, they're a little bit on the short end of the stick already. So I'd rather give them some green brain and say, Oh, by the way, did you know...

Mark Laurie: 35:30

I aligned with you. I'm the same way. There's a firm, I wrote a book. And it was do as dogs do kind of thing, right. And so he felt that you should emulate dogs. So we know the front door. So if there's a dog in the house, happy dog, and person who has a front door, they just run to greet you. Like, they're just so happy to see you. And he says, you know, imagine that everybody who came to your front door, especially your spouse, and kids, if that's you went out of your way to greet them and go, I'm so glad you're here. I know. They would feel good.

Luann Hoborin: 36:01

Yes. So I find that I would, if I'm going to spread an energy in the world, that's the energy that I wanted.

Mark Laurie: 36:12

What would be your perfect day?

Luann Hoborin: 36:15

My perfect day. Smile, I love my morning kind of routine. Good routine sets me up really. And, and I think that, for what, just from working with people as well, that morning routine is is really helpful. So for me, my morning routine is a bit of like, mind, set time kind of thing. And I also like to get fresh air and exercise. So the fresh air is, is also it's just great. This feel, gets us all wired up, so to speak. Exercise gets us moving, especially recently being immobile for a little bit. I this is it's such a gift to be able to be mobile, and then I set my intentions for the day. So that's how I get started. I like to work I typically like to work with my clients in the morning and into the early afternoon. And I do like to take breaks and sometimes on my breaks, I take a walk, I like to have some nutritious food, that's something that's kind of exciting. You know, something in the day, I tend to not eat that late. And then in the evening, I like to just relax. So that depends on what it feels like maybe it's visiting with friends, maybe it's reading, maybe it's going out whatever that is. Yeah, and I like to have a bit of time. Like I call it like strategy time I like to read their fair reader.

Mark Laurie: 37:45

Now, you said set your intentions, what's your process for that?

Unknown: 37:49

I set my intentions. It's I visualize actually, I visualize how I want my day to unfold. And so I visualize my meetings, I visualize what I want for my outcomes, and it's gonna have my own little fun time in my mind. Yes.

Mark Laurie: 38:13

How long do you, how long do you do that for?

Unknown: 38:17

Okay, well, right now it's a little bit longer because I'm a little bit kind of stepping things up a bit. But that's a minimum of an hour. And at the moment, it's almost two hours. This is a little bit longer than normal, like, right in this stage right now. But typically, I have an hour for sure.

Mark Laurie: 38:36

So how early does your day start to accommodate that?

Luann Hoborin: 38:39

Well I typically I don't wake up to an alarm my brain and everything wakes up around five sometimes a little bit earlier. And I'm just awake.

Mark Laurie: 39:00

So what, sorry, is rapidly awake at five, what part of how, how much into your day before you do your intentions. I think these intentions are really a powerful thing.

Unknown: 39:09

The intentions. I'm I'm pretty much ready and my intentions are set by seven or 730. And sometimes I have early morning clients because I work with people in different time zones. And so in that, in that sense, I might get up earlier that day. Or I might take a break and do some of my exercise at noon as well. So I might sweat it if I have a really early start. Yeah, that isby seven, by seven

Mark Laurie: 39:41

That's impressive. That is a really good thing to know.

Luann Hoborin: 39:46

Weekends are a little bit later.

Mark Laurie: 39:49

What resource really helped you get where you are. What when you look back at all the different tools and education moments what resource really made a difference for you.

Luann Hoborin: 40:01

Well, you know, what really made, what really made a difference for me was, I've always had, I've had supportive people around me, right. So that's been helpful. But I think the difference for me was, was recognizing how much it made a difference in my own mind. Like how I worked with things in my own mind. Because when I was first going through my, when I was first going through the changes in my life of becoming a single parent and career change, at first, I was very, I mean, that was that mountain looked much bigger than me, right? Like it because it kind of all happened pretty close together. And it kind of forced me to, to think like, what am I what am I going to do, because I need to get on the other side, like, I this is not an option. It's not an option, and not something I want to take like years. And I thought, you know, I need I need to think about this differently. And, you know, it's actually a turning point, because it's when I really started working, I worked directly with the subconscious mind. And when I saw, I can actually do this myself, I don't actually have to always have other people do this, I can learn to do this myself. It was a turning point.

Mark Laurie: 41:26

So your own, so the most powerful resource was yourself?

Unknown: 41:30

Yeah, learning how to do this myself. Because sometimes things happen in a day or day can like hit the tank. And, you know, there's not really the people, there's not really a lot of people around to help you. But you've got a situation happening and you don't, it doesn't wait till tomorrow. You know, there's times like that, that, you know, as a parent, and when your kids are young, and you got a lot of things going on, you don't have till tomorrow, you kind of have to solve it today.

Mark Laurie: 42:04

When you see a mountain, for whatever reason, how do you break it down? So it becomes a manageable thing to step over?

Luann Hoborin: 42:11

I was not a good question. It's similar to that. It's similar to the concept of you can't eat an elephant, all the ones you pick, I pick the part that I know I can work with what's what's one step I can take. I call it like the one 1% rule. If there's one thing, I'll just be this much closer. And then once I get this much closer, then I've at least sort of I've at least started the process. For me, that tends to get me moving. So I picked something that I think, oh, you know what I like this, this is going to make, this is going to make some kind of a difference. I'm starting here. So I pick pick something like that.

Mark Laurie: 43:00

And then just one after the other, and

Unknown: 43:02

Then I just keep Yes, it's literally sometimes. And then I just keep saying like what's next? What's next, like, like that one step at a time? If you look at it, I find if I look at the whole mountain, that I don't do that. It just overwhelms you know, it's to...

Mark Laurie: 43:22

That process. I've, so my mentors have explained that the confidence makes a difference if you have a mountain its much smaller to a confident person than it is to an unconfident person that makes sense. Yes. How do you get confidence?

Unknown: 43:43

Sometimes I I don't know that you get it. I think sometimes it's just by taking a step. Because sometimes it's knowing that it's just knowing that one step will literally be one step. Then I can say at the end of the day, because I guess one of my other beliefs is I try I I really want to have as few regrets as possible. And I'll say so I can at least say I've done my best. I've taken one step. And sometimes those steps weren't. They were more appealing than confident, right? Like I didn't, I honestly felt like it was a lot to deal with. When way over my head, but there was it was only me that could get through it. It's like and I recognize that you're the only one that can get through it and you don't have a choice because the consequences of not getting through it are way worse than sitting here right now. So I you so it's kind of like the concept from the farm. I'm getting on the horse.

Mark Laurie: 45:00

You've figured out that feels gotta get done so

Unknown: 45:02

well know that concept of that is if the horsebox you off you get back on it like literally as fast as you can possibly can you get back on the horse? And you don't have time to think about

Mark Laurie: 45:15

it. Yeah, just just react to it.

Unknown: 45:17

So sometimes that it's overthinking, you know, but

Mark Laurie: 45:22

Overthinking is a problem, isn't it? Like you imagine all the worst possible outcomes, you just have to start doing something?

Unknown: 45:30

That's right, it's you have to kind of get into, you kind of have to get yourself into a different motion. I like a different flow a different energy. And there's also there's that saying, that song says, when you're going through hell just keep on going. This is Don't stop now. That's right. It's like Don't stop now. Just, you know, take a step, take a step, take a step. And of course, as I once you get started, then you're looking for like, what other information what other resources can I use? How can I get some help type of thing. But sometimes it's just taking that first step, we'll get at least get other thoughts moving, then the overwhelm.

Mark Laurie: 46:17

So what do you do now? What you've gone through all these transitions, and you've got all these, this incredible background? What do you actually do?

Unknown: 46:25

I actually help people get new jobs. I work with executives and business leaders, and people who have like ambitions, and they've kind of run into a bit of a wall. And I help them get on the other side.

Mark Laurie: 46:40

And handle their options.

Unknown: 46:42

Yes, I help them to see that they can get through the wall, typically. Typically, the way beliefs and fear shows up it's it's just it's designed to, in knows our buttons, I guess you could say that fears and beliefs know your buttons, and they know how to they know how to play them. And so we just, we just bring that process to light. Because, guess if I was to say something, you can't change what you can't see. Right. But once you see how Oh, yeah, you know, this really plays my buttons, then they don't have the same impact. Then people are able to get through what is initially kind of tough.

Mark Laurie: 47:32

Oh, that's amazing. Yeah. Thank you so much for your time today. It has been wonderful.

Unknown: 47:36

Yeah, it's been really nice. I've really enjoyed the discussion with you, Mark. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah,

Mark Laurie: 47:44

That's my thing. Now, for other people out there. Normally, I photographing women. And this is sort of a neat break, but it's still supportive. What we normally do very much in Inner Spirit photography is about empowering women, and give them breakthroughs and so on. Luann has got some details on how you reach her if you're curious about more stuff in her bio in our bio section for it. And we'll see you all next week. Thank you so much.

Luann Hoborin: 48:05

Thank you.

Exit speaker: 48:07

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