Adele Engel - Healer - Spiritual Psychology- Soul Centered - Musical

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You're listening to fascinating women with Mark Laurie. And now, Mark Laurie.

Mark Laurie: 0:10

Hello, everyone. This is Mark Laurie from inner spirit photography. Actually, that's my music do my day job right do now this is a fascinating women Podcast. I'm thrilled that you could join us out today. I've got Adele joining us. I assistant said all the singers that know somebody even far more impressive. And she had my name. What's up, she stole my name. She did love to write a song about my wrestling. So welcome, Adele, welcome.

Adele Engel: 0:41

Thank you my pleasure to be here.

Mark Laurie: 0:44

It's gonna be so much fun. Now. I met Adele, gosh, years ago. And she created a friend of mine. This this concoction of a powder. healthiest thing I think I've ever had it originally is supposed to be a cleanse of some sort. And they they say that when you finish a cleanse, you're done. Because it's so horrible. I am rather enjoying it. And so I've been on it. That's my breakfast everyday now for the last couple of decades. Yeah, it's

Adele Engel: 1:09

been a while it has

Mark Laurie: 1:11

been it's been a long. So my mind, you're always like this, this nutritionist that made this really really killer powder, like me. But as we learn to talk, you're pretty diverse with, with what you've acquired over the years, with your different degrees and literature and art and so on and your spiritual focuses and so on. How did you wind up on that path?

Unknown: 1:37

Well, let's say you know, I'm 66 years into the the journey. So I've certainly had time to collect and develop some tools. And how did I end up there? I guess. I mean, my parents owned our Craft and Hobby Store for 50. Some years in Swift Current Saskatchewan. So name of craft. And either I've done it or my sister's done it, but our minds are very different. She likes instructions and tools and patterns. And you know, I like to cut and paste and glue gun and stuff like that. And so certainly that that artistic and creative Jean came very naturally and then had a Scottish grandma that lived in a little little town in Saskatchewan. And she got me going out collecting, let's say as an example, wild roses to make skin tonic. Or we'd make sell or, or bath lotion out of oatmeal, things like that. So I kind of got into lotions and potions at about 10 years of age. And music. I just I don't know what happened or why but I was at another relative's farm in Saskatchewan. And there was this old Oregon it was my aunt. And I just sat down and play the song. And I guess it was about four. So music was just there for me. And so that planted some seeds on the path right away that were pretty easy to cultivate. And you know, then I did the 70s wholeheartedly. I really embraced the whole thing. I was 13 when Woodstock came out. So yeah, and then I you know, I just always knew I would be a teacher. From the from kindergarten on I was I was always the teacher. And so now I would say, I'm not always the teacher, I'm very often the student and yeah, we're, as Tina Turner would say, we're at our best when we are teaching and learning from each other. So I learn things and then I teach those things and

Mark Laurie: 4:07

the quickest way to get information back into yourself is if you repeat it back out effectively, then you've learned twice. It's it goes deeper inside.

Unknown: 4:19

Well, if you're a true teacher, you don't show up unprepared. Yeah, so it's I have a class right after this and we're going to delve into I work a lot with color and oils and plants and whatnot and food. And so we are going to study lemons today and all all things that lemons can do for us and then we're going to delve into the color of deep red in little potions that are made out of flowers and herbs and oils and wavelength, then I like all things color, sound vibration, light, fascinated by light. So it's a yoga class, but it is not your typical yoga class. And today, they might be a little shot because they each get a notebook. You know, things to learn. Yeah, I can imagine

Mark Laurie: 5:26

that. What's been the most stretching thing you've done, the thing was your was the biggest event that you've done that you'd look back and say, Wow, that, that changed the course of my thinking, or the course of my direction of my life.

Unknown: 5:41

Getting healthy after getting very sick. So that's when I started making that tremendous powder. And it was rather interesting. I mean, I'd always let a fairly healthy life. You know, love to cook, cook from scratch wasn't a junk food kind of person. love the outdoors kind of thing. But I was kind of lying to myself, like I hadn't fully embraced, you know, being on a healthy path. And I got very sick with a whole bunch of stuff that came tumbling down all at once, and a few missed diagnoses. And I'll give you just an example. I was diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis, which it ended up I didn't have, but I was medicated for that. And that particular medication led to digestive issues, which I was medicated for that. And on and on, it went and that was combined with having cancer. So it was like, I started with this cancer diagnosis. But as it went on, everything just snowballed into more and more problems. So one day, I was like, Oh, my God, I'm on nine prescriptions. Nine. So I am going to back it out one at a time. And I am going to first of all, figure out if I if I can spark up my spirit to get healthy. So I decided to go see the Dalai Lama, who was in Calgary, actually with a conference at the time, and I paid my extra fee to be able to have a private small group with him where we could ask him personal questions. And, and the Dalai Lama was great. But the big takeaway wasn't the Dalai Lama. So it was a man by the name of David Wolfe, who is kind of at the time was the poster boy for superfoods. So he showed up in this panel, he looked like he crawled out of a Katy at a poncho on his hair. It was crazy. And he was talking about these foods that could heal your body. And kind of, I guess, invigorate your spirit as well. And so I was phonetically writing them out. babka, lip Kuma miski. I didn't know what any of these were. And then I started researching them and figuring out well maca can help with endurance, it can balance hormones, you know, and figuring out how to make something that would heal me which ended up to be that powder. And, and to stick with that, for it was a two year process to in terms of a stretch, a two year stretch. have really, I mean, I went to meet David Wolf, I spent time in the kitchen with them. I went to summits, conferences, took courses, you name it, and really figured out how to heal myself. Because certainly nobody else was figuring that out. So that's my biggest stretch

Mark Laurie: 9:21

from the base of how do you approach things today? Or is that just one more niche along the way that's already deep, ingrained? And that's the the alternate arts or the softer sciences.

Unknown: 9:35

No, it was giving up a lot that I as I said, I embraced the 70s in a wholehearted way. So and then I just, you know, I just completely quit alcohol. And I wouldn't say that alcohol was a particular problem for me. It was just the way that my appearance embraced the use of alcohol was, I was like, this really is not serving my body or my mind. Well, so I'm just going to give that up. And it's interesting when you do that, how much resistance there is, you know, because if you're like the partier that sits at the piano when sings and all of a sudden, you're stone cold, sober, and you're looking around you, and people want you to, you know, participate in their in their party. And it's like, my party's just fine. Thanks, I'm good. So that was a big stretch for me to just put the brakes on, you know, a big part of my lifestyle and how I interacted with my friends and family. So I kind of forget what your question was Mark.

Mark Laurie: 10:53

That's cute. It was it was just if the if that was was a sudden, right turn change, or if your life had been building to that change of doing the research and getting more involved with the, with the powders, and that type of lifestyle.

Unknown: 11:09

That was a right turn change. I mean, I found myself, I used to host these incredible Halloween parties, right? When I lived in Calgary. And oh, and I was, you know, I'm not drinking, everybody else is drinking and partying. And you know, I mean, I can't I was a smoker, a cigarette smoker for years. And I just decided, well, that's ridiculous in the 80s. I was like that that's a stupid choice. But this not drinking around being surrounded by everybody drinking was a big right turn change for me. And I found myself at a Halloween party, and everybody's having fun. And I'm thinking geez, am I really missing out. So then my brain said I can take a bottle of wine and I can put it in a pyrex measuring pump, put it in the microwave, boil off all the alcohol, quickly dump that into an ice bath, cool it down. It has gone from let's say 14% to less than 1% of alcohol. When you open the microwave, it's just wafting out at you. And and then I would funnel it back into the bottle and it put a little bow on it so that I knew that that was mine. Right? So then that took away all the you know, nobody was bugging me. I just say, Well, I'm drinking this wine because it's organic, or it doesn't have sulfites, or whatever. And I would just drink that wine. And sometimes people would drink it by mistake, and they wouldn't even be able to tell the difference. So yeah, I mean, I really made. That sounds like a small change. But when all of your social activity revolves around getting together, and having drinks, that was a really big change for me. So then I didn't see it coming, it just became necessary to do it.

Mark Laurie: 13:17

Did that trigger you changing your circle of friends?

Unknown: 13:22

No, but you know, it, I now have these would I say I mean, this particular these last two years have been a little bit different. Because I I have these pods of circles now. So I have a yoga circle, which I haven't been able to really be face to face involved with the last two years, right. I sing in a choir, which of course, our choir hasn't been able to meet the last couple of years. So I still kept the same friends. But in addition to that, I created these other social circles that are equally important for people to engage with

Mark Laurie: 14:07

pots. I like that phrase. You call them through these pods of friends. Yeah.

Unknown: 14:12

Yeah. And right now, you know, I'm creating my own tribe here. So by starting this, I have had a group in yoga, I have a yoga studio in my house. And so for about the last four years, I've had this group that meets three times a week, and one of the members is my husband. So he's very, you know, he's very motivated to ski. And we are the youngest in the group. So the oldest right now is going to be 79. And he's still skiing double black diamond runs in deep powder through trees. So he takes his yoga seriously. So that's interesting that he's come into that aspect of my life, which he never thought he would ever do. But now I've just started this new group of women, and I'm going to turn them into another little pot of mine. I don't know if they know that yet. Sure, because there might be on to me, I'm not sure. But what I found is that people thirst for spirituality. But nobody offers them up a viable way to embrace it or grow it or. And then all of a sudden, when that happens, it's like, they're fully invested. And you know, after three weeks, it's, please don't stop this, we really need this, we want this, you know, I'm, so I'm kind of in a part of my life now where I can be of service is kind of funny, I have to charge them $10, or else it'll all fall apart. And I've seen it happen before you think I don't need the $10 from for people. But if you don't do it, there has to be in exchange, they have to feel like you know, there's some sort of energetic exchange coming from them, not just from me, or at all at all. They're like, well, we'll cancel because she probably doesn't want to do it anyway. Or she'll cancel because, you know, there's nothing in it for her kind of thing. So this little exchange makes this this work. And it kind of feeds my desire to continue learning and teaching, and learning new things. And I am building now this group of like minded people here, in a little place that only has a stable population of about 60 people. So you have to find what you need, and then make it happen. And I'm pretty good at making that happen. So

Mark Laurie: 17:12

while the community is still gonna build, do you have an inspirational quotes that guide you?

Unknown: 17:17

Well, I guess Bob Marley's quote is my favorite quote, which means emancipate yourself from mental slavery. None but ourselves can free our mind. That's good. Mm hmm. Because my mind has been a it's a very busy mind. And it's been a bit of a trickster. And so dealing with that, I mean, I think once you master the direction that your mind takes you, and you get to drive that. It's like a big aha, thank God because you know, if you let your mind be in control of things, they can spin out of control very easily. And I certainly did do that a lot. So now I'm Yeah, emancipate yourself from mental slavery. None but ourselves can free our minds.

Mark Laurie: 18:11

minds a trickster when you hear that phrase used by John Key Whoa.

Unknown: 18:15

Oh, I didn't know that. But you

Mark Laurie: 18:19

do know junkie. Whoa,

Unknown: 18:21

I do not know, I don't, John Kehoe,

Mark Laurie: 18:23

kind of way back in the early 70s. He was one of the originators or was the originator of mind power, of harnessing it. And so he was going through different things. And, and in his teachings, he talks about the minds the great trickster. And he says, when you're trying to do something to affect change, and so on, it's like, you're a general, and you're planning this, this frontal attack on your enemy, except your enemies over your shoulder, not only being aware of what you're about to do, but you're thinking behind it. And this is what you're having to defeat. And that's what the mind is. And so he calls the gray stricture. And so his is, what he's trying to get across, is that you, when you try to do something, create change, and you fail, you have to recognize that the mind one is a great trickster one. And so he says, it's not easy. defeating an entity that knows your every weakness and where your biases are, and everything. It takes a great single focus mind to get through that. And so that's where I heard the phrase. I very rarely hear that turn of phrase at the minds of great trickster.

Unknown: 19:34

Wow. Well, that intrigues me I'm going to have to check into

Mark Laurie: 19:37

his teachings. He's, he's, I think he's got to be in 70s 80s. Now, and he is an astounding at the when he started doing everybody said, Oh, my God, this guy is so crazy. And then they start seeing it was working, and other people. So now it's a common thing. Way back when he started it was, it was it was It was unheard of

Unknown: 20:01

groundbreaking at the time

Mark Laurie: 20:02

was. And he's kind of kind of neat that way. So what are you curious about right now? Where does your minds traveled on many, many roads? What's your biggest curiosity right now that you're trying to unravel?

Unknown: 20:17

Oh, I'm diving deeply into how molecular hydrogen and imprint ourselves and molecular hydrogen from water. And so that's one thing that I'm looking at deeply studying have ordered a little bit of equipment to really experiment with it. With the idea that molecular hydrogen can reduce inflammation, kill unwanted bacteria in the gut. increased circulation. So that's my latest, I want to go sciency although I'm not a science brain, I'm an art brain. Right. But um, the other thing that I'm deeply involved in right now is breath work. And so I've been studying with a lot of schools of breath work, I've done numerous certifications and right from the real Holotropic. Are you familiar with that? Holotropic breathwork?

Mark Laurie: 21:32

I believe so. Yes, actually, I took a course of breathwork. Okay. It was fasting. It's such, it's not that well known in North America. But in Russia, I believe it was originated, because it's part of their healthcare system. And they know that, yeah, the guy that originated it, and did studies on it, he huge body of work, because he was able to, when the government said, Great, all the soldiers are going to be living breathwork. So he was able to see how it changes your face, he had two twins that he was working with, I think they're like nine years old or liberal. And they started and they were identical twins. So he taught them both how to do proper breathwork, how it would relax you by all sorts of things. And four years later, there's a photograph of the two girls, the one girl had her face, it hardly changed. The other girl hardly looked like her, you can barely see the family resemblance, because of how they breathed some of the power of the breath. And I'll dig up the information for actually like it's a it's a lady here in town, those teachings about a five week course. And it was highly immersive. And so it was great patience to teach your body how to breathe differently. And what the norm is. And so it was, so I understand breath, our guests and it's quite powerful approach to the system. That's also how because you're constantly reading through your nose, and that's good all the as you know, all the filters to keep out. Sickness, viruses, and so on. It filters out so your chances of getting sick when you do proper breathwork reduced faster.

Unknown: 23:19

Well, I, there's that aspect of it. I studied with Dr. Stan Grof, who was the, I guess, the physician in residence, let's say at Esalen Institute for a long time, and he and his wife were both psychiatrist, and they were studying the effects of psychedelics on mental illness, then PTSD, things like that. But then that became very difficult to do in the US. So the two of them developed this breathwork that would take the brain into a sort of psychedelic state without needing to do a drug. And so that's very extreme breathwork. And I've held classes and workshops with that, and it's intense. And that's sort of not where I want to go day to day so right now I'm, I'm working with it's called Soma, so Ma, which means the body and I also am involved with Aura Soma, which has to do with the light body and color. And it's a it's a, it's an unusual approach because you do a lot on breath hold, and you increase the co2 in your body and decrease the oxygen, which makes your body want to push oxygen deeper. It's like oh, she's starving me of oxygen. I gotta get some oxygen in my blood. So working with that, and I really like it because it's the founder of the school His name is no Raj. He used to be a pharmacist. Right. And in the UK, and then about he's of, I would say, East Indian lineage. He's very into yoga. And but he also when he left being a DJ, he beat me sorry, when he left being a pharmacist, he became a DJ at raves. And then he's like, this is a crazy lifestyle, I got to get off this train, he got very sick, and took a year off to get healthy. And in that time, worked with breath. And but what I like about his breath work school is it combines movement, rhythm, music, color, all the things that seemed for me to mesh together nicely. So. Yeah, so spending some time daily. With that. We'll see where that takes me.

Mark Laurie: 26:07

How much time is your breath getting focused in the morning?

Unknown: 26:13

Well, this morning, I spent 40 minutes. I usually try and do a minimum of 15 minutes. And then sometimes I can do an hour session. And that's very, what would I say rhythmic breathing. I think in all the breathwork schools, even if you go back to, you know, pranayama with the yogi's, it's, they've known for 1000s of years that if we extend our exhale, we breathe through our nose, on the inhale, we extend the exhale through the mouth or the nose, that we go into that rest and digest state, parasympathetic state, whereas our culture is mostly in the sympathetic fight or flight state. And we need to flip that and breathwork can do that very quickly and efficiently. And it costs nothing. And it's accessible at any time. And I just think it's a really valuable tool, I really believe that they should teach it in schools that right now children and teachers are very stressed out. And to do five to 10 minutes of breath work would just kind of bomb everything down.

Mark Laurie: 27:39

I that's what I got from my teachings, learning to guess was how much it short circuits that fight or flight symptoms and everything in our world. You're right, you know, from the social media, to the news, everybody's discovered that if you want a reaction, you do this type of hype. And the breathwork does take you out of it, and then gives you clarity, Mike, so the oxygen goes in your body, and suddenly you're in a different plane. And

Unknown: 28:07

it's changed me from being a real extrovert with introverted moments into I think, being

Mark Laurie: 28:15

a highly skilled introvert.

Unknown: 28:19

With some great extroverted moments, you know, it's funny, I'm not wired for small talk. You know, I don't really I don't care what perfume you just bought, or, you know, I just, I just I come into things late, like, you know, I got into Bob Marley about 10 years after everybody else did I got into the Eagles when I could start seeing them on a video. Just, you know, I really take my time, go deeply, when it's my time, I don't really get seduced by what's trending or mainstream or that type of thing. But when I get into it, I really get into it. So I got this sound table made by a really interesting fellow in Florida, as named Christopher Tim. And he's very trippy. He. He worked with the Crystal Skull for about seven years. That was the basis of the story of Indiana Jones in the crystal skull. So he's always been big into crystals, particularly quartz crystals, and then he's an acoustic engineer and he plays in a biker band. He's a couple years younger than I am, plays in a biker band, but doesn't mostly plays, biker bars but doesn't drink. And he also plays first violin You know, and so he made this sound bed. And it's actually behind me. And right now, I'm experimenting with that, combined with music So, and color and light. So I've got, I've got this mind art, that's almost like psychedelic colors that go in time with the music, while the music is moving through my body, like my body's a speaker. And I became to really love Bob Marley through finding out what an intriguing baseline he has in his music as it moves through your body, when you're a challenge meditator you know, like making the making the mind go quiet or empty, or whatever is just, that's just not working for me. So if I can follow a baseline as administer my body and try to anticipate with my brain where it's going to go next, that's a much easier entrance for me into meditation. So yeah, I'm playing a lot with sound. And then he, he built some tuning forks that that he had made doing the mathematics of the great sacred sites of the earth. So I'm playing around with that in the bio field, which I find interesting. And yeah,

Mark Laurie: 31:32

it triggers a memory I was, I was in Italy, with one of the monasteries or the churches there. And there's a fellow who's a friend of my, my buddy, there, he would take rock, and he had cut up in thin slices and became a musical instrument. Oh, and so we're in the middle of this cathedral race being super quiet his hand, I bring my hand across this soft melody plate, of course, I'm a musical person. And the sound came out right. And then when we left, at the entrance of the of the church is this great big rock, it was probably 1015 feet long. Instead about maybe three feet high, it kind of looked over my son, the middle of it was these deep cuts that look similar to what was in the high pitched rock inside the cathedral. Oh, and no one's paying attention to this rock, right, this walk capacity for and I recognize these cuts. So I take my hand and run it across it. And there's this bass sound that comes out of it. And of course, I just feel back and forth like I know what I'm doing at stopped everybody because the rock, this rock was playing music, which is the most incredible sensation to visually see music come from a rock, like like the brain has a hard time acknowledging that and yet, and it was tactile because as your fingers are run across the stones, these cut stones and wood resonate the sound it was it was a singular, rare experience for me.

Unknown: 32:54

So I've now just moved you from this category and extended you into that trippy place where you know, it just experienced music coming from a rock.

Mark Laurie: 33:07

It's cool stuff again, I'm 60 seconds well, so I've got all these these these bits and pieces of memories that brought in experiences that from a curious mind, which I've gotten explores me into things.

Unknown: 33:17

Well, I always wanted to play the guitar. But it didn't seem I tried it at university. I'm a music major music educator. My I got one degree in Regina, which was Saskatchewan, which was exceptional. It was called aesthetic education where you teach children kind of a Waldorf approach where all subjects are being taught from the springboard of the arts. So in one of our courses, we had to learn an instrument that we didn't play. So I chose the guitar. And it just didn't feel right. It didn't. I don't know, I love the sound of it. But I just couldn't make up my own. I'm a I'm a pianist. So about a year and a half ago, I was watching a benefit for the hurricane victims of Puerto Rico, right. And Stevie Wonder was on there as one of the performers and he's got this instrument, and he's like, it's got his fingers are on the strings, but they're playing the strings like a piano. And he's like, Hey, you guys, you should see I just my new instrument, it's called the heart PEGI. They make it at one place in the United States is the only one man that makes them. And I'm about five months into this. And he's playing away and and so I google that and I'm like, Okay, I'm going to go to her PEGI, I guess. So. I found the guy in Maryland who makes them and I said, Did you make a heart PEGI for Stevie Wonder. And he goes, Yes, I did. And I said, Well, I think like one of those, but I don't think I'm in the same budget as TV. You know, we had these incredible graphics and a platinum album. pressed in. And

Mark Laurie: 35:12

were you Jane green?

Unknown: 35:14

I want yeah. What's, what's your low ball end of the heart patchy. So anyway, the guy was very accommodating, worked with me. And I played that for a bit and I thought, comes in 12 strings, 16 strings, and you could get a few more strings. But it wasn't enough. So I found the guy back up, and I said, you know, how many strings does Stevie Wonder? And he goes, 16 strings, but I said, I think I need that. I'm being cut short here with the, he's like, Okay, well, let's just figure it out. Like, how can we do this for you? So that that's kind of incredible. So now I'm playing with that, because during this lockdown, I had both my knee joints replaced, right? And so I was pretty immobile on many levels, but I could sit. And so the arpeggio was a good when you say, Where does my mind take me now? Well, that's a good experiment. And I'm not playing a stringed instrument, and I was so unaware. Really, at first, you know, I do this, I jump into things. If it knocks on your door, I kind of like open the door and see what it has to say, baby invited in. So um, I get this heart PEGI. And I'm like, Oh, crap, I gotta, I have to tune this thing. I got to figure out how to tune a stringed instrument. I mean, I didn't sign up for that. So anyway, I had to learn that fairly quickly. But yeah, fine. Just find ways to turn on your mind.

Mark Laurie: 36:58

So I just pick up on something you I love you. But I think either by fear or practice, they don't do that. Interesting things knock on your door. And you open the door and say, Come on in, we are going to explore this. Do you have a filter for that? Do you have a process? That when when something interesting comes along? Do you embrace it? Or do you pick and choose what comes along? How's that work?

Unknown: 37:23

Well, I think I start from the place of this could be possible, you know, rather than saying, Okay, well, we're going to get this sound bad. And you're going to lie on it. And it's going to excite yourselves, and that's going to help you heal from surgery or whatever. Instead of saying, that's way too out there. My mind says, why not check it out? Why is it impossible? When I first heard about a fax machine? I thought my friend who's running a travel agency says she's going to send me a fax, I said, I don't have a fax machine. And I'm envisioning, like, how does that work? How is that paper going from there to there? And so that seemed impossible at the time. You know, the internet seemed impossible at the time. So most people will be able to let their brain say, well, however many billion people are on the internet. Now I guess that's viable. It's working, they'll buy into things that become maybe commonplace or mainstream, whereas my brain will say, got to start somewhere. Let's give it a try. And if it works, I might talk to you about it. You know, I mean, there is a little process there, where if it seems too out there for some people, I might not bring it up. But then I find that little bit of that little pod, where it's like, why don't you come up and try the sound bad? And we'll put the lights on? And so I do, I guess I do have some filters, but I start with, yeah, this could be possible. Let's, let's not say no to this, if we've never tried it. Now, I mean, yeah, there are some limits to what I will try. It has to be legal, and it has to be moral.

Mark Laurie: 39:22

Yes. I would I have noticed by talking to people over the years, that there is the people who do those things, have some time back in the mists have developed. A filtering system is so so automatic, they don't even realize they're doing it, that they'll recognize something. And it kind of goes through. Yes, there's no for me to get serious about this. This fits my life this way. And there's these bouncing checks. And then if it's in on the surface, it appears that happens instantaneously. They came across it, they embraced it, they're doing it and then they move on. And yet There's this really compressed period of time, where the brain, the brain, and the sensations are making sense of it. And it goes, yeah, go and play with that it's gonna work.

Unknown: 40:10

Yeah, I mean, I think that's very relevant in what we're talking about that maybe I haven't you? No, I haven't looked at it from that angle. But maybe at some level, I have trained myself to think all things are possible that potential is unlimited. Somewhere in there. I'm, I'm there. And I start from there. Yeah, unless, you know, it looks awful. Or it smells bad.

Mark Laurie: 40:43

Yeah. I believe that there's a process that your first time I became aware of this was when I was photographing the very astute individually, you want to want to be forecasting and see what my process was, for how I do things. And when we finish, he says, I've been watching, I don't think you realize three quarters, the stuff that you do to accomplish what you do, because it's so part of who you are, that you just go through it. And I see because I like to embrace stuff on the front ends of my brain. So I find lots of interesting going on, kind of like that for sharpen. And so that's what came the conclusion that is, because there's so many things we can have that come up to the pier. And this way, your brain has to turn this on and this off, otherwise, you're you're well, you have these great systems. Well,

Unknown: 41:33

also mark, you know, the conversation currently is revolving around very limited topics. And my brain is just throwing that out, you know, as I'm sitting there listening, I can kind of put on a persona to get along with everybody that's in this conversation when I don't really I could care less about it. I'm just so in a different place, then revisiting, revisiting revisiting it, there's so much new Yes. To embrace that. Why do we keep going over and over and over?

Mark Laurie: 42:09

The stuff isn't going to change for it? Yeah, that's, that's where I've been learning. Interesting questions.

Adele Engel: 42:15

Oh, that's great. Great place to be.

Mark Laurie: 42:18

Yep. And I way back when I was learning sales, one of the things that the guy came up and drill into us was that whoever asked the questions, controls the conversation. And so he can either go with the flow, and it's usually that same routine, because people's to large portion people's range of conversations pretty limited, and just their natural state. But as soon as you start injecting interesting questions in the mix, then you start to go interesting places. And everyone has interesting stories and interesting experiences. It doesn't take much to and you're, you're not controlling the conversation so much to have a hidden agenda, as you are controlling the conversation to make it in itself interesting. To find layers that are deeper down that how's the weather?

Unknown: 43:09

Right. Exactly. I love that actually. And yeah, ask more interesting question. I'm going to take that on as my project. Maybe I'll make it that's what I'll focus on in November when I'm socializing is that I'll take on the part of being asked, ask a better question, ask an interesting question. Ask a question on a completely different topic.

Mark Laurie: 43:39

Follow down. Well, this has been really cool.

Adele Engel: 43:46

I've enjoyed it as well.

Mark Laurie: 43:49

It's so much fun. I never know where these conversations are gonna go. But hence the title of my podcast fascinating women. There is always these interesting twists and turns and wonderfully unexpected. I love the depth that you that you've presented to us and the spin into the the softer side of things. Psychedelic mind the breathing. The musical instruments I've never heard of. That's so cool.

Unknown: 44:16

Yeah, someday I'll take you on a tour of the house. I've got these little secret rooms. I've got the best secret room mark. It's in my closet through the closet. Right. And and it is just a magical place of light and sound and color and instruments. And wow. And and yeah, I mean, if you really should experience it, I think and not in a vulgar way or a What would I say? Kinky way I could rent that room out by the hour just so people could just chill out.

Mark Laurie: 44:58

Yes, I I think I've done photographs of rooms like that power rooms that people had where they want to go in and center and transform themselves that my photographs become the core of it.

Unknown: 45:09

Ah, someday you'll come to Panorama. I have

Mark Laurie: 45:13

to plan on that. That sounds really good. Sounds good. We're gonna have to wrap it up here. Yeah. For anybody listening. We've got a really intriguing full length bio, you can read about Adele in the notes. And this is my contact stuff. So for some of the stuff she's doing interest in you, I think there's some way that she can connect with her and become part of her tribe. Very interesting journey that's psychedelic in nature without the drugs. I love that. I love that. That's really good. This has been Mark Laurie from inner spirit photography, hosting, passing women. My guest, Adele, thank you so much.

Adele Engel: 45:46

Thanks very much, Mark. Have a great day.

Exit speaker: 45:49

This has been fascinating women with Mark Laurie. Join us on our website and subscribe at fascinating women.ca Fascinating women has been sponsored by inner spirit photography of Calgary, Alberta and is produced in Calgary by Leigh Ellis and my office media.